sandra: welcome to another episode of we don'tdie, where my goal is to give you evidence that, although our bodies will disappear,we survive physical death. i'm your host, sandra champlain, author ofthe international best-selling book titled we don't die: a skeptic's discovery of lifeafter death. this is episode number 79, and i'm super excitedto share with you who our guest is today. our guest today is dr. r. craig hogan. now, craig is someone who is very specialto me, even though this is the first time we've spoken voice-to-voice. he wrote an incredible book called your eternalself and when i began my investigations on
life-after-death, it was the most profoundbook i've ever read and opened my eyes to so many other things. in fact, just before my dad passed away, craigwas generous to send my dad a personally autographed copy of his book with a long letter to mydad from what to expect in the dying process. he's a wonderful man and i can't even tellyou how excited i am to have him. besides being the author of your eternal self,dr. hogan has co-authored some other books, including induced after death communicationwith dr. alan botkin and guided afterlife connections. there's also a book repair and reattachmentgrief therapy which contains 26 accounts of
people with their own afterlife connectionswith the afterlife connection procedure. there's a ton about this man. he's been involved in life-after-death studiesfor a long time, but i'll have him share who he is, what he's about and what he's up tonow. so, dr. craig hogan, welcome to we don't dieradio. craig: thank you very much sandra. i'm delighted to be here. sandra: your voice is warm and caring as well. are you in illinois?
craig: yes, central illinois, in normal, illinoiswhich is a strange name, but normal, illinois outside of illinois state university. i taught there for a number of years. sandra: what did you teach about? it's interesting, to me, how one becomes anafterlife explorer. craig: you don't decide to major in that whenyou're in high-school and talking to the guidance counselor. sandra: not so much. craig: i was actually a professor of businesscommunications.
sandra: okay. craig: i was in the college of business. it was after i had left the college of businessand began my own school. i had my own online business writing schoolnow. it was after that that i had gotten into afterlifestudies. sandra: did something trigger that to haveyou start studying into the afterlife? craig: yes, i was drawn and brought to it. i began meeting psychics. i didn't really have any belief in anythingin particular.
i was not going to church or anything likethat. i started meeting psychics that kept cominginto my life, and as i met them, i discovered that there was something more to life thanthis realm that we're living in. i discovered, then, that i have some psychicabilities. i can do remote-viewing and psychometry, wherei hold things in my hand and know things about it. then, after that, i realized that our mindis not in the brain. as a result of that, we live on forever. we just continue to live after the body stops.
that became more and more apparent and themore i study it, then the more i realize that it's true. it's just the evidence is all over the place. we just have to help people understand that. sandra: it's so interesting. if you're a first-time listener here, youmay be thinking what? our mind isn't in the brain? where the heck could it be? if you wouldn't mind, some people have neverheard the term remote-viewing before or what
was the other one? craig: psychometry. out of remote-viewing, and you have a chapterin your book on remote-viewing. sandra: i sure do. craig: it's an excellent book, by the way. wonderful book and i recommend it to everyone. sandra: thank you. craig: remote-viewing means that you sit quietlysomeplace and all you have to do is close your eyes and intend to see something andexperience something that is far away from
you. it can be thousands of miles from you. when you just sit with your eye's closed andyou intend to experience that thing, then images will come into your mind that justcome in. somebody said that it's like having a memoryof something that you didn't experience. so, the memories come into your mind aboutthat thing which is far away and the wonderful thing about remote-viewing is that, then,you can check it out. so, you can have the person there send youa picture of whatever it was that they had. i'm best at seeing things that are objectssitting on tables or on a desk.
there will then be sent a picture of whatit was and we'll compare it to my description. that's when i know that i'm actually seeingwhatever it was. i can get the experience of the texture ofit, the sound of it, and the emotion involved in it if it's involved. and so, that's remote viewing. psychometry is being able to hold somethingin your hand and you can tell things about the person who owns it. there things about their life and their dispositionand who they are and you can tell things about whatever their personal relationship was withthe person who gave them the object.
so, all these things are embodied in the objectand all you have to do is hold it in your hand and relax into a state of relaxationwhere you can receive the messages. just ask the divine, ask the universe andsay what can you tell me about this person? and then, you get the answers. so, that's psychometry. i found out that i can do both of them. sandra: you had turned me onto russell targand i had taken a course with him on remote-viewing, and boy i tell you i, along with lots of otherpeople, have this inner-voice that it's not possible.
it won't happen. if it does happen, everyone else will be successfulbut you won't, sandra. i mean, i'm happy to report that there was60 something people in that course and every single one of us could remote-view. some were a bit stronger than others, butit told me that if i'm able to see something that's half-way around the world, i can'tpossibly just be this body. craig: no. the mind isn't in the brain, that's the importantthing. no neuroscientist will be able to tell youhow the brain could create the mind.
it's just impossible. also, where memories are stored and how theycan be stored. research that's been done has shown that ifyou try to put memories into a brain, that the brain would be filled after one hour oftelevision. so, it's impossible. the memories are not in the brain. they're outside of the brain too. so, that means that since our minds are thepart of us that thinks, loves, and feels, so that mind we are is outside of the brain.
the memories that we have are outside of thebrain. then, when the brain stops having any functions,then we just keep on going on. sandra: wow. i know people who have had dementia or alzheimer'sand they can't retrieve some memories. somehow, the brain is connected to the retrieval,isn't it though? craig: yeah. what it is, is that there's a rule-set. we're going through our lives, right now,and we're doing things where some of us are great pianists and others of us can't playanything more than the radio.
some of us can sing well and others can'tcarry a tune at all. some are very bright and some are not so bright. so, everybody has their role. they have their set of circumstances and weare given those when we go into this life. we actually plan it ahead of time, but we'regiven that when we come into this life. they're kind of like the set-up for our lives. some of the things that are set-ups are whetherwe have alzheimer's. but it's just a set-up for the life. it has nothing to do with who we are as aneternal being, because our eternal-self which
really isn't involved in the physical realmand isn't in the physical realm. the eternal-self is perfectly whole, perfectlycomfortable and isn't having any of these difficulties. but, while we're in their lives then we haveto play by the rules. we have our set-up, we play by the rules andthen as we play by the rules, then we learn lessons. that's what we're here for. we're here to learn lessons and to help otherpeople learn lessons. and so, that's why somebody can have alzheimer'sor can be in a vegetative state and, at the
same time, their eternal-self is just perfectlyfine and whole. it's just the role they're playing and whatis happening in the physical realm. we know because in part we can communicatewith them. we can communicate with their eternal-selfor higher-self while they're in a vegetative state or with alzheimer's and we're doingthat now. sandra: i haven't heard of that. i've heard of connecting with people who havecrossed-over, but not those who are laying there. i've had a friend whose dad had alzheimer'sand for over two years, he had no speech and
little movement. so, what you're saying is that there's a wayto communicate with his spirit. craig: yeah, we're doing a lot of that now. i just published a book i have a publishingcompany called greater reality publications. we don't charge anything for it, just to helpthem get their word out. it's called a falling starand it's by a spiritualistminister named bonnie. she's a reiki master and works with hospice. in hospice, she worked with a woman who wasn'table to communicate. she could blink her eyes but the rest of herbody was paralyzed.
one day, she was walking beside her and heardthe words, why is this happening to me? why am i in this situation? she figured out after a couple of days ofthat this woman was communicating. she was getting her communications. she communicated back and said, is that youspeaking? the woman, of course, was very surprised. they started a dialogue and then from thereon until her passing, they had a dialogue with each other. the woman learned how she could go out-of-bodyto visit bonnie at other places, and then
after she passed, then they continued theconversation. so, we know that we can communicate with someonewho is in that state. sandra: that's very good news. also, for people around the bedside. you can keep talking to that person. craig: they need to. the eternal-self isn't affected. and so, that's true also of when someone passesand someone feels bad because they weren't sandra: yes.
craig: they feel bad because the person wasn'tcommunicative and couldn't communicate and just passed away and they didn't have a chanceto say goodbye. they feel bad about that, but the fact isthat the person is whole and healthy and just is right there, in the room. they're in there with that person and hearsevery word. so, every emotion, every feeling and everyword goes right to the person. they get it all. nothing is left unsaid. sandra: so it's never too late if you've hadan argument with someone and haven't talked
to them in 6 months; it's not too late? craig: nope, it's not. you can do that anytime. they're anxious on the other side to communicatewith us. they want to communicate with us and havethat forgiveness, give forgiveness, and receive it and we can continue the dialogue with themafter they have gone on and transitioned off the earth-plane or graduated from earth'sschool and we're still here. we can still communicate with them and keepup a good relationship. sandra: that's great.
i want to get into, maybe a bit later in theshow, these communication ways. i knew you attended a conference i heard youon the roberta grimes' seek reality show about some great conference and many ways peopleare connecting. if you could just go through some of yourcore findings of why you believe that life-after-death is real. just some of those things that somebody cameup to ask you in the street, why do you think life-after-death is real. what would you say? what are the reasons?
the first thing we know is that the consciousnessor the mind isn't in the brain. we know that's true. but, the other reason is because we can startwith the near-death experiences, which are wonderful experiences that people have. near-death experiences the brain stops functioning. there is no functioning in the brain and thememories couldn't be stored. the person couldn't be seeing or perceiving,and yet we know that people, when they're in a near-death experience and they come back,that at that point they still are able to communicate and they see things and they experiencethings, so we know that that's true.
for instance, one story of a woman who hadcardiac arrest. when she was in cardiac arrest, her brainwasn't functioning. it was flatlined. but, when she came back out, she describedwhat was going on in the operating room, when they were trying to revive her. she descibred what was going on down the hallwith the physicians there, what the family was doing, what was on the bulletin board. even she mentioned that her anatheologisthad two different colored socks on that day. she was able to do it.
the most amazing thing was that she had beenblind since birth. she wasn't her brain wasn't able to, but shewas able to see when she was in the near-death experience. and when she was in the near-death experience,then her mind kept functioning, her memories kept coming and so we know that she was stillalive after that experience had happened. that's one of the ways in which we know it'strue that people do continue after the body has ceased functioning. sandra: mmhm. craig: another way we know is from mediums.
mediums are very good and very powerful. we know that mediums do communicate with peoplewho are on the other side and there have been studies at universities; university of arizona,but also the windverge institute and the studies have shown that people who pass on and goonto the other side then can communicate back to us. we know that because they tell us things thatonly the person on the other side would know. they remind us about things that we know. they will also tell us things that, then,we find out later on were true. and so, we know that it's true from mediumswho are able to connect.
we also know that it's true from psychotherapistsnow, who are able to help people to have after-life communications while they sit in their office. one of the books i had written and you hadmentioned, induced after death communication, for instance one woman had to have an experiencein which she connected with her loved one on the other side while she was sitting inthe psychotherapist's office. she was connecting with her loved one on theother side; she saw a man standing behind her loved one. she didn't recognize him, but he seemed likehe was warm and friendly to her, like he loved her.
she didn't know who it was. when she came back out, she left the psychotherapistsoffice and it was until about two years later that somebody had shown her a picture of aman and had revealed to her something she didn't realize. she had been adopted and the man was her birthfather and that was the man she had seen in the psychotherapist's office, in her mind. craig: that was proof of the fact that shehad been seeing people who were on the other side. we know that they're there on the other side.
sandra: wow, i'm just speechless. i'm just picturing that. i had gone to a funeral where my friend'shusband had passed away. just a week prior to that, his father hadpassed away. it was a double funeral. i kept seeing, in my mind's eye, a man thati didn't recognize. looking younger and healthy, but i kept seeinghim. then, we went to after the funeral, therewas a reception and there were all these pictures hanging up of both the father and the son,and lo and behold the guy in my mind's eye
was the same guy who was in the pictures. i never met him, but i mean, it was amazing. amazing. craig: yeah, yeah. so, we know that it's true. people are able to communicate in that way. are you hearing a beep? sandra: every so often, it just goes dead. i don't know what is happening.
it's just only for a second. craig: yeah, okay. i think what that means is that my batteryis going out on this phone. so, i just have to get to another phone. >> laughter this is the exciting part of this show. one show, i was interviewing a woman and iheard this loud snoring in the background. well, it was her dog. you know?
we're very patient. craig: okay. sandra: how's that? craig: we're fine now. sandra: very cool. craig: so, those are some of the ways in whichwe know the fact that we do continue afterwards. well, we also now that 50% of the widowersreport seeing visions of their departed spouses after the spouse has passed. it's up to, in some studies, it's high as70-80%.
it's a common phenomenon. people communicate with their loved ones afterwards. another study was done from icelanders andthey reported that 31% had visual encounters and actually saw their loved ones after theyhad passed. craig: we know that they're there. we have dream visitations. dream visitations are filled with evidencethat the person is communicating from the other side. it's in one of my books in which a man namedjerry, who had been separated from his wife,
actually divorced for a number of years. their children were living with the wife onthe other coast. he had a dream one night of his wife and hiswife came to him and it was a very vivid dream, it was just like they were having the conversation. she started telling him what to do with thechildren with each child. it was very real. he woke up and it was just like he had a conversationwith her. he got a phone call a later on that morningthat his ex-wife had passed away over the night.
she had been killed in a car accident. so, what was happening is that she came tohim and was giving him instructions on what to do with the children because of the factthat she wasn't going to be able to help to take care of them. sandra: craig, i have a good story that happenedyesterday. my aunt, who i live with and is 10 years olderthan me she's been hearing, for the last years, all my crazy stories of people i've met andthings i've done and god bless her for listening, right? she's never had any strange experiences.
however, her co-worker just lost her brother. this man was in his 40's and died of pancreaticcancer, leaving two kids and a wife behind. it was extremely sad, very just a tough time. well, the night before last, my aunt has adream. and, she's at an amusement park and lo andbehold, this man sits on a bench with her and he's saying that he's fine, he looks healthy. what she keeps feeling is that they're atan amusement park called funland. craig: mmhm. sandra: i mean, it was so real and so visualto my aunt.
as she's telling me this story, she goes towork and tell her friend and says that this may sound strange, but her brother came tome in a dream and i don't know if it was a dream or not, but he kept saying that we'reat funland. well, craig, funland is something that onlythis woman would know. when they were little children, their parentswould bring them to a park called funland. my aunt's never known of any existence ofany funland or what this guy looked like when he was younger. it was just such a touching thing. it's never happened before to my aunt andhe had come through her.
like, what a beautiful message that was. craig: that is beautiful, yeah. they really do make an effort. they do come through. people wonder why somebody has not come throughto them when a loved one has passed. it's been months and they haven't come tovisit them. they wonder if they don't like them anymore,or if there's a problem with them. it has nothing to do with that. it's difficult for them on the other side,as it is with us, to make that connection.
what they have to do is that they learn howto make the connection. there's teaching and instruction on the otherside on how to make a connection. but, it's very difficult for them to do itand most cannot do it. what they have to do is that they can go toa medium and inspire the person on this side to go to the medium and then they can havea reading, so if someone feels like they want to go to a medium, then it's possible they'vebeen inspired by the person on the other side to go to it. they have to either have somebody go to amedium or they have to focus and try to get the person on this side to understand andto listen and to get the message through.
most people just don't listen on this side. we just don't stop long enough to listen,so we miss the communication. we have to teach people on this side how tocommunicate and we are i have an online, it's a free training program to help people learnhow to connect. it's on the internet. sandra: where is it on the internet, so wecan find it? craig: it's selfguided.spiritualunderstanding.org. sandra: selfguided craig: selfguided.spiritualunderstanding.org.
it teaches people how to allow the messagesto come through and how to allow the enfoldment to come through. 86% of the people who get on do have connectionsand some of them are just profound. just wonderful connections. we get validations; we've had many validations. we had one in which a woman connected withthe person she wanted to connect with, but then she started seeing she was sitting ina living room with her eyes closed, just going through the program we have online, and shewas sitting there and having this connection. suddenly, a young girl comes into her mindand she's seeing the young girl and the young
girl is baking. she's cooking. she has a checkered apron on and she realizes,then, that this young girl is the daughter of a woman that she knows who has crossedonto the otherside. the young girl is making what looked likeroll-ups. you know, the dough that rolls up and youput meat into it. craig: then you slice it. but, they have jalapeno peppers in them. she thought, this is strange.
why would a roll-up have jalapeno peppersin it? after she had this procedure she had gonethrough in the living room, just sitting there, she talked to the girl's mother and said,listen. i had this image of your daughter and shewas cooking and then she had a checkered apron on and the woman said yes, we'd love to cooktogether. that was something that we always loved todo. she did have a checkered apron that she woreall the time when she cooked. sandra: awe. craig: the woman who had the experience said,there was the strangest thing.
she was making roll-ups but with jalapenopeppers. i couldn't figure that out at all. the woman then said yes, we used to make jalapenopepper roll-ups all the time. craig: lots of validations to that. people can do their own connections and thistraining program that i have developed and put online and it's completely free, justlike everything else that we do. it's available to people and they can connectand some people now are connecting everyday. that's really, really great. sandra: you talk about how some people findit difficult to listen, and i think that even
it's hard for us to listen to sometimes peoplethat are alive, because we're so busy thinking about things ourselves. so, i'm guessing that what you offer peoplethen there has to be a way to be present and quiet our own thoughts to allow these connectionsto take place. is that so? craig: that's what it is. it really is a form of deep relaxation andso what they do is that they deeply relax themselves and then they allow the unfoldingto happen. they allow things to come to them withoutcontrol.
they don't use imagination or bring up memories. they don't do anything but just focus on allowingthings to come to them so they go into a scene, for instance to a beautiful place that theyhad been with that person before, and they just imagine that. then, after they imagine that, then they stopand don't control or judge, they don't do anything more. they just allow whatever comes to come. what happens then is that the person on theother side is able to take over. so, they're able to take over the unfoldingand make the whole scene unfold.
and so, they will communicate and the communicationwill come through. what it involves is the person on this side,the person who is in a body, just giving up control. just allowing it to come through. they'll take care of it and they'll bringit through. that's what we teach in the program. sandra: that's really good news. for myself, there have been mediums i've spokento where some gave me great readings and with others, it seemed like probably no fault oftheir own, but they were grabbing at straws
and nothing seemed to make sense. and so, i think there's probably a lot ofthings at play. it doesn't necessarily mean people are badat their job, but it's really reassuring that there's a way that we can make these connectionsourselves as opposed to thinking i've got to go to somebody and that's ya know, sixmonths. some people have long waiting lists and it'snot until six months time that i can communicate with my father. not true. they're anxious to communicate.
there's a sense of presence people get thatthey ignore. the sense of presence means that they feellike they're with you. you can sense they're around. it's a real sense, just like seeing and hearingit's a sense that tells you that they're actually when they are there, and when you get thatsense of knowing that they're there, then all you have to do is start a dialogue. all you have to do is close your eyes andbegin to speak and listen to what you get. be open to it, and you can start a dialoguewith them. that happens when people have a sudden waveof grief.
if there is someone has passed away and they,at times, will have a sudden compelling wave of grief that just comes over them. craig: very often, that's because of the factthat the person is there. so, they have the sense of presence but theydon't realize it's a sense of presence. but, the sense of presence gives them makesthem realize they aren't on earth and that sudden realization that they aren't on earthindicates grief, but it also indicates they're nearby. all they have to do is communicate with them. sandra: that sounds, i don't know if the wordis refreshing or not, but after my dad died,
i had never been through any deeper or toughergrief. i remember at the most random times, i wasjust flooded and the tears would be flowing. if i had put in the practice then, like hey. this is a sign that dad is near. sandra: that sure would've been useful. craig: you just need to quiet yourself andstart a dialogue. sandra: thank you for that. craig: when i say start a dialogue, it's likea day-dream. you can go into it by closing your eyes andrelaxing.
you can ask a question. you can say, dad, is that you? dad, are you here? and then, just allow the response to come. the response will come and then you can respondto that and you can continue to carry on that dialogue. the dialogue will carry itself because ofthe fact that they're communicating with you. that's a way that you can find out. if you do that repeatedly, then you get betterand better and realize more that they're around.
you don't have to worry about holding themback because we're communicating with them. that's fiction. they can always come to us from where everthey are. they're only a thought away. they get our thoughts and if we're askingto speak with them, or if we're in destitute position and we're really suffering, thenthey'll come to us. we're not holding them back. sandra: this may sound like a dumb question,but what are they doing over there? wherever they are.
yeah, yeah. i mean, i have my own thoughts, but what doyou have to say about that? craig: they're doing whatever they'd loveto do. in the next stage the next plane of life. it's a period of time when they're able toregroup and able to do things that they would really love to do. so, they are doing the things that they'dlove to do. they have their own houses. this earth-plain is a spiritual plain, sowe're on a spiritual plain right now.
it's just one of many spiritual plains. so, the next spiritual plain is just likethis. it'll be solid with bodies and we can do things. it's exactly like this. the only difference is that there is no drawbacks. there are no extreme temperature changes,and there are no ticks and fleas and mosquitoes. >> laugther none of those things. there are no machines making carbon-emissions.
but, it's exactly like this. many people feel, when they go to the nextplain of life that they're dreaming. they feel like, this is just like my life. things i'm walking around. it feels like it's exactly the same. they don't realize that they've gone ontothe next plain of life. it's just exactly like this. what happens is that when they go on to thatnext plain of life, then they have occupations. they aren't occupations in which you get paidmoney but what they're doing are things they
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they are, in other words, they're helpers. many people become helpers when they go tothe other side. they can be designers, helpers, or artistsif they were on this side. musicians if they were musicians, or one ifthey wanted to be but couldn't on this side. have you seen groundhog's day? sandra: yes i have. craig: that's exactly what it's like. when he learns how to play the piano aftera long period of time, that's what it is. if you'd really like to learn, then you cando that.
there are books, there are libraries but theinteresting thing on the other side is that the books actually read themselves to youif you want them to. you can actually get the book the way theauthor intended it by linking with the author and his mind. the author, then, will guide you through thebook. so, there are many things. there are schools. especially for young people they're goingto school and they learn. they grow up on the other side, even miscarriagesand children who were aborted, they grow up
on the other side and are waiting for theirparents when they come back. but, they do go to school. there are teachers, people do become teacherson the other side. there's a whole life on the other side, it'sjust as solid of a life. it's this with none of the drawbacks. people do the things they love to do. sandra: how about people who commit suicide? what happens? i mean, i'm sure it's individual with as manypeople there are, but they aren't sentenced
to eternal damnation or anything. craig: the hell myth is awful, and it's gotto go away. there's no such thing as a hell. what happens is that a person who commitssuicide has stopped their learning process. they've gone out of earth school. they made the choice to do that. they can do that with free will. what happens when they commit suicide whichis that they're met with great sympathy, because they went through an awful lot.
at the same time, it's a sad time. it's not a good reunion. it's not like they'll be back with that personwho they've missed so badly because they've passed. there it's not that kind of reunion. it's a very sad reunion because they juststopped their life and they could've done wonderful things with their life. it's a permanent solution to a temporary problem. so then, there's a great amount of sadness.
the other part that makes it sad is that whena person commits suicide, they are going to get the thoughts and feelings of all the peoplewho are left on earth. it just comes and it's a part we are one,in mind. so, then they experience all of that and thesadness that people feel. there's nothing they can do about it, then. they've done it and it's a year later, twoyears later, and they've gone past what it was that was creating a problem for them. they still have to experience the sadnessof the people who are on earth because it's not a punishment, but they just experienceit because they're one with them in mind.
it's not a wonderful reunion and it isn'tsomething which people people should relish having. there's no judgment or condemnation in anythingwe do. anything we did on the earth plain there isno judgment. we only judge ourselves in the life review. during that, we feel the feelings of otherpeople. we experience both of what we did as wellas the feelings of the other people. in doing so, then we grow. we learn from that.
that's the purpose of it all. it's all for us to grow in eternity to becomemore loving, compassionate, and other people-centered. it's interesting because if you're someonecontemplating suicide right now, to actually know you have to deal with yourself still. it's not the answer. craig: it doesn't take away the problems. they just become worse because then you haveto experience all the grief and all the sadness. it's not a wonderful reunion on the otherside. but, there's no judgment.
it's just compassion, but at the same timeit's not a solution. sandra: but that soul, craig, can still goon to learn their lessons and be loved and cared for. it's not like they're stuck that way. they aren't stuck that way, there's no judgmentabout them. they'll continue to grow and learn, and they'llhave great regrets but those are things they have to live with as a result of it. they do learn. and they will go through the period of timewhen they come out of the other side that
they could've done better on earth, if theyhad stayed there and stayed with it. they could've lived a wonderful life and learnedthe lessons they were supposed to. they would've had a wonderful reunion whenthey passed on the other side. sandra: does that mean when we do make ourtransition that there are people there waiting for us? you talk about reunions. craig: nobody dies alone. what will happen is that it depends on thedisposition of the person. some people, when they cross and are no longerusing the body, then they will not be interested
in going further on. they aren't interested in leaving earth fora number of reasons. some people have unfinished business theywant to finish on earth, so they stay on earth. when i say stay on earth, they're in thisvibration and they can walk around on earth and sit on chairs, ride in buses, but theycan't communicate with people. they stay in the earth plain and some do becausethey're mischievous and can't do things when they're not on it. arsonists, for example. they want to set more fires.
you don't change when you transition. they'll stay on earth, walk around and findother people who are arsonists or that inclination and they'll inspire them. in other words, they'll send their thoughtsand images to them. oh, look at that building. wouldn't it be wonderful to be on fire? can you imagine the fire engines coming? they inspire them to do that. the people who are weaker or that dispositionare inspired by earth-bound people on the
other side to do whatever it is that theydo that is mischievous. sandra: is there any way as whole, healthypeople that we make sure we're living in a bubble of energy? we're not attracting these folks? craig: we just have to be loving and compassionate. that's what it is, just being loving, happy,compassionate. that raises our vibrations and we don't haveto worry about the nasty's. craig: we're boring to them and we have nothingto offer to them. it involves just being loving, compassion,being other-people centered.
we all need to be servants. eventually what heaven and earth would looklike is that we're so concerned about the other person that we have no concern for ourselves. since we're all concerned about that otherperson and they're all concerned about us, then it becomes a loving world in which wedon't have to worry about the nasty things happening. sandra: zig ziggler has a great quote that'slike if you make your life about helping other people, then your life works out. that's how you have the best life.
sandra: craig, let me ask you, since we havethis negative self-talk. is that a part of being human? so many times, even as long as i've been involvedin talking in life-after-death, sometimes the little voice in my head says sandra, you'remaking it all up. it's not real. why do we have that? craig: we have that because we're broughtup in a society that teaches us that. in other words, if we were brought in a societythat taught us to be loving, compassionate and to serve other people, then we'd havea good head-start on being a person who is
loving, compassionate and we'd grow from them. we'd become even more loving. we live in a society that teaches us thatlove can be withdrawn and i'll only love you if and there's a condition involved. that people can be angry with you and theycan separate themselves from you, reject you. we learn all of those things. they're not part of who we are as human beings. they're things that we've learned. as a result of that, society teaches us thosethings and now that's where the doubts come
from. that's where the issues come from that wehave. if society didn't do that and we lived ina loving, compassionate society, we'd grow up being loving people. we wouldn't have those kinds of doubts anddifficulties. that's where we need to help humankind togo. it's one person at time. sandra: it reminds me of that song let therebe peace on earth, and let it begin with me. i think that all of this just begins withinourselves and you hear a lot of stories about
little kids who can see into heaven when they'relittle and they know things about grandpa and grandma, and quickly it's like no. it's your imagination. you have an imaginary friend and you're shutdown. craig: it shuts them down. so, society is what is doing that to us. we really need to change society and we changesociety by changing ourselves. gandhi says you must be what you want theworld to be. craig: to be in a loving, compassionate worldthen we need to be loving and compassionate.
sandra: where do we go from here? i know there are things you're up to. in an earlier e-mail you sent, you requestedmy help to get the message out. there are those of us who, you know, whenwe're how do i say this? when we, for ourselves, know that we don'tdie and our loved ones are okay, then i think it comes natural that we want to make a differencefor others. so, is there any way, myself and my listeningaudience can do our part to help share the message? craig: yes.
we have a circle. we have people that we touch. sandra: right. craig: they're the people that we come incontact with and we are touching them. we are, in other words, embracing them. so, we need to embrace that person with allthe love and compassion we can give to them and if we do that with just the people whoare around us and who we touch, then we'll have an impact on humankind. we don't have to worry about people in othercountries or the difficulties going on there;
if we can help them, then it'd be a wonderfulopportunity to help them, but that's not our job. our job is to the people we touch and lovewho are around us, our families, our friends and we can reach out to them and make a differencein their lives. that's all we need to do or worry about. not only does that help them when we're doingthat, but it also raises our vibration. it teaches us so that every compassionateact that we do, we add a drop of compassion to humanity by doing that. and so, all we have to do is be loving andcompassionate with the people around us.
sandra: that's pretty simple. craig: mmhm, very simple. sandra: knowing we'll have this life reviewand going to review it, i know i've had times not that i'm a liar, but every now and againi want to tell a white lie or something. craig: sure. sandra: sometimes it's easier than tellingthe truth, but i thought if i had to review this situation in a near-death experienceand feel the impact on the other person, then how do i want that to go? that's actually caused me to be a better personand do the right thing now.
the more you do that, then the more it grows. so, in other words, we're growing the waywe grew physically. we were an infant and then we became a childand then an adolescent and an adult in the same way, we grow spiritually and mentally. we will grow in stages and cell-by-cell. every time that we do a compassionate act,every time we have a compassionate thought, then it adds another cell to our growth andwe mature spiritually in the same way we matured physically. all they have to do is keep adding those cells.
sandra: that reminds me of the movie pay itforward. when you do something good for someone, there'sa ripple effect where they do something for someone else. you never know how far that can reach. craig: there's an energy there. in fact, we know it to be true. in studies of remote-influencing that, whenpeople would focus on someone a receiver, and the sender would focus on good, warm andwonderful thoughts like how much they loved. the other person, who was hooked up to a machinethat would measure their reactions; even though
they didn't realize it, their minds and theirbodies were reacting to that person's loving thoughts. every time a loving thought was sent, it wasreceived and their body and mind reacted to in the same way, if hateful thoughts weresent to them and intense, discouraging thoughts, then their body and mind reacted just as much. so, what we're doing is that every time wehave a wonderful thought then we are contributing to humankind and we're having an influenceon that other person, although we don't realize we are. every time we have a hateful thought or angrythought, we're influencing them and are lowering
humankind's vibration by that much. so, all we need to do is focus on being lovingand compassionate. that's what jesus said. sandra: yes he did. craig: in roberta's book liberating jesus. the church hasn't understood it but all youhave to do is love god and love man. it's very simple. if we do that, then that'll make a differencein humankind. that's great.
i think it's easy to believe we are just ourbodies, but when we talk about the mind not being in the brain and that we are, as yousay in your book your eternal self, we are these eternal selves. we're so much more powerful than we know. our thoughts and our actions and our feelingsreally do send out this energy and wow. i didn't know about remote-influencing, whichis tied into the power of prayer, somehow. some of the healings that i've heard. craig: prayer has an effect, yes. craig, what haven't i asked you that reallyi should?
that you'd love to share, or what you're upto any closing thoughts. craig: yeah, i do have. everybody has the potential to be able tocommunicate with their loved ones on the other we know this to be true. the psychotherapists that i have mentionedthere's a 98% success rate. in other words, everyone can communicate. with my guide, there's an 86% success rate. there are mirror-gazing; everyone can communicatewith their loved ones on the other side. all they have to do is learn how to do it.
so, everybody should be communicating. if they have a loved one who has transitioned,they're still here and want to communicate. you just have to keep communicating. that's the important thing. then, we can learn more techniques to be evenbetter at it. keep up the dialogue and keep communicating,because they're there and they're communicating with us. sandra: great. that'll all really help us in our lives, becauseif we really do believe that we don't die
and that we are eternal beings, it'll takeaway the fear of living, going after dreams. you know that you can never fail. you know you're never alone. yep,that's exactly right. it does what we're doing is changing ourselves. at the same time, we're having an effect onother people. so some people say, well, how can i improvemy vibration? how can i become a more spiritual person? all you have to do is love.
just love. sandra: simple, little four letter word. love. craig: just love. find opportunities to love. and just love. that will change everything. sandra: it will. i think for any of us who know what it's liketo volunteer or make a difference in someone
else life i've never felt better. it feels good to do this. craig: it feels good and that's a sign thatit's good. it feels good. sandra: craig, anything else? i don't want to cut you short, but we're roundingthe top of the hour. craig: nope, that's the key. sandra: oh my gosh. how do we find out more about you?
you've got plenty of websites, but how canwe start learning more about the wonderful dr. craig hogan? craig: i would suggest going to youreternalself.comand the reason for suggesting that is because the book is published, but i've put it onlinebecause i want people to read it and to get to it. start off with your eternal self because that'sthe book that is the basis for what it is that people can learn about how to communicate. then, from there, we are establishing nowthe after-life research and education institute. it's dedicated to helping people communicatewith loved ones on the other side, finding
new ways and finding funding. we're looking for funding now for people whoare developing the methods and the researchers who are researching them. our big focus is on trying to find fundingto get to them and to go to afterlifeinstitute.org. that is kind of the cutting-edge place ofwhere we're going to be in publicizing whats going on in afterlife communication and theresearch being done. i'd say those two places. sandra: great, great. you're the best.
craig: thanks. sandra: you had mentioned roberta grimes earlier. we had her on as a guest a few episodes ago,and because of craig's website, youreternalself, i had seen a link to a book that he publishedcalled the fun of dying written by roberta grimes, and i have to be honest the titlepissed me off. i was like, how could it be fun? it made me buy it to really realize that thereis so much more about the dying process and waking up in heaven or the hereafter, whateveryou want to call it. since roberta and i have been great friendsand she has her own podcast called seek reality
with roberta grimes which i call an advancedafter-life conversation. some of the topics i haven't even heard of. i can recommend that to listeners, as well. so craig, i'm going to send you a warm hugfrom massachusetts. from myself, and from my listeners our listeners. you truly, truly are the very first personthat's opened my eyes into something so much more, into my eternal-self and getting thatwe're so much more powerful than we know ourselves to be. our life is important, it's for a reason.
it's for making a difference. so, in closing, i want to thank you. craig: thank you. sandra: you're welcome. i want to thank our listener for taking thelast hour to listen; i hope it's been a value to you, it certainly has been to me. as a reminder, you can find all episodes ofwe don't die radio at that website wedontdieradio.com, or just type in we don't die radio on youtubewhere they're there where ever else you listen to your podcasts: itunes, whatever.
my name is sandra champlain and like i said,i do believe with all of my heart that life is an education for the soul and our liveshere on earth are truly important. again, in the words of our wonderful guestcraig hogan, find opportunities to love. if there's just one thing to do, it's to startwithin your family and friends and make a difference. i thank you for listening and we'll see yousoon. that, although our bodies will disappear,we survive physical death. i'm your host, sandra champlain, author of the internationalbest-selling book titled we don't die: a skeptic's discovery of life after death. this is episodenumber 79, and i'm super excited to share
with you who our guest is today. our guesttoday is dr. r. craig hogan. now, craig is someone who is very special to me, even thoughthis is the first time we've spoken voice-to-voice. so many other things. in fact, just beforemy dad passed away, craig was generous to send my dad a personally autographed copyof his book with a long letter to my dad from what to expect in the dying process. he'sa wonderful man and i can't even tell you how excited i am to have him. besides beingthe author of your eternal self, dr. hogan has co-authored some other books, includinginduced after death communication with dr. alan botkin and guided afterlife connections.there's also a book repair and reattachment grief therapy which contains 26 accounts ofpeople with their own afterlife connections
with the afterlife connection procedure. there'sa ton about this man. he's been involved in life-after-death studies for a long time,but i'll have him share who he is, what he's about and what he's up to now. so, dr. craighogan, welcome to we don't die radio. craig: thank you very much sandra. i'm delightedto be here. sandra: your voice is warm and caring as well.are you in illinois? outside of illinois state university. i taughtthere for a number of years. sandra: what did you teach about? it's interesting,to me, how one becomes an afterlife explorer. craig: i was in the college of business. itwas after i had left the college of business and began my own school. i had my own onlinebusiness writing school now. it was after
that that i had gotten into afterlife studies. craig: yes, i was drawn and brought to it.i began meeting psychics. i didn't really have any belief in anything in particular.i was not going to church or anything like that. i started meeting psychics that keptcoming into my life, and as i met them, i discovered that there was something more tolife than this realm that we're living in. i discovered, then, that i have some psychicabilities. i can do remote-viewing and psychometry, where i hold things in my hand and know thingsabout it. then, after that, i realized that our mind is not in the brain. as a resultof that, we live on forever. we just continue to live after the body stops. that becamemore and more apparent and the more i study
it, then the more i realize that it's true.it's just the evidence is all over the place. sandra: it's so interesting. if you're a first-timelistener here, you may be thinking what? our mind isn't in the brain? where the heck couldit be? if you wouldn't mind, some people have never heard the term remote-viewing beforeor what was the other one? craig: psychometry. out of remote-viewing,and you have a chapter in your book on remote-viewing. craig: it's an excellent book, by the way.wonderful book and i recommend it to everyone. you. it can be thousands of miles from you.when you just sit with your eye's closed and you intend to experience that thing, thenimages will come into your mind that just come in. somebody said that it's like havinga memory of something that you didn't experience.
thing about remote-viewing is that, then,you can check it out. so, you can have the person there send you a picture of whateverit was that they had. i'm best at seeing things that are objects sitting on tables or on adesk. there will then be sent a picture of what it was and we'll compare it to my description.that's when i know that i'm actually seeing whatever it was. i can get the experienceof the texture of it, the sound of it, and the emotion involved in it if it's involved.and so, that's remote viewing. psychometry is being able to hold something in your handand you can tell things about the person who owns it. there things about their life andtheir disposition and who they are and you can tell things about whatever their personalrelationship was with the person who gave
them the object. so, all these things areembodied in the object and all you have to do is hold it in your hand and relax intoa state of relaxation where you can receive the messages. just ask the divine, ask theuniverse and say what can you tell me about this person? and then, you get the answers.so, that's psychometry. i found out that i can do both of them. possible. it won't happen. if it does happen,everyone else will be successful but you won't, sandra. i mean, i'm happy to report that therewas 60 something people in that course and every single one of us could remote-view.some were a bit stronger than others, but it told me that if i'm able to see somethingthat's half-way around the world, i can't
possibly just be this body. craig: no. the mind isn't in the brain, that'sthe important thing. no neuroscientist will be able to tell you how the brain could createthe mind. it's just impossible. also, where memories are stored and how they can be stored.research that's been done has shown that if you try to put memories into a brain, thatthe brain would be filled after one hour of television. so, it's impossible. the memoriesare not in the brain. they're outside of the brain too. so, that means that since our mindsare the part of us that thinks, loves, and feels, so that mind we are is outside of thebrain. the memories that we have are outside of the brain. then, when the brain stops havingany functions, then we just keep on going
on. sandra: wow. i know people who have had dementiaor alzheimer's and they can't retrieve some memories. somehow, the brain is connectedto the retrieval, isn't it though? craig: yeah. what it is, is that there's arule-set. we're going through our lives, right now, and we're doing things where some ofus are great pianists and others of us can't play anything more than the radio. some ofus can sing well and others can't carry a tune at all. some are very bright and someare not so bright. so, everybody has their role. they have their set of circumstancesand we are given those when we go into this life. we actually plan it ahead of time, butwe're given that when we come into this life.
they're kind of like the set-up for our lives.some of the things that are set-ups are whether we have alzheimer's. but it's just a set-upfor the life. it has nothing to do with who we are as an eternal being, because our eternal-selfwhich really isn't involved in the physical realm and isn't in the physical realm. theeternal-self is perfectly whole, perfectly comfortable and isn't having any of thesedifficulties. but, while we're in their lives then we have to play by the rules. we haveour set-up, we play by the rules and then as we play by the rules, then we learn lessons.that's what we're here for. we're here to learn lessons and to help other people learnlessons. and so, that's why somebody can have alzheimer's or can be in a vegetative stateand, at the same time, their eternal-self
is just perfectly fine and whole. it's justthe role they're playing and what is happening in the physical realm. we know because inpart we can communicate with them. we can communicate with their eternal-self or higher-selfwhile they're in a vegetative state or with alzheimer's and we're doing that now. sandra: i haven't heard of that. i've heardof connecting with people who have crossed-over, but not those who are laying there. i've hada friend whose dad had alzheimer's and for over two years, he had no speech and littlemovement. so, what you're saying is that there's a way to communicate with his spirit. craig: yeah, we're doing a lot of that now.i just published a book i have a publishing
company called greater reality publications.we don't charge anything for it, just to help them get their word out. it's called a fallingstarand it's by a spiritualist minister named bonnie. she's a reiki master and works withhospice. in hospice, she worked with a woman who wasn't able to communicate. she couldblink her eyes but the rest of her body was paralyzed. one day, she was walking besideher and heard the words, why is this happening to me? why am i in this situation? she figuredout after a couple of days of that this woman was communicating. she was getting her communications.she communicated back and said, is that you speaking? the woman, of course, was very surprised.they started a dialogue and then from there on until her passing, they had a dialoguewith each other. the woman learned how she
could go out-of-body to visit bonnie at otherplaces, and then after she passed, then they continued the conversation. so, we know thatwe can communicate with someone who is in that state. sandra: that's very good news. also, for peoplearound the bedside. you can keep talking to that person. craig: they need to. the eternal-self isn'taffected. and so, that's true also of when someone passes and someone feels bad becausethey weren't there. just passed away and they didn't have a chanceto say goodbye. they feel bad about that, but the fact is that the person is whole andhealthy and just is right there, in the room.
they're in there with that person and hearsevery word. so, every emotion, every feeling and every word goes right to the person. theyget it all. nothing is left unsaid. craig: nope, it's not. you can do that anytime.they're anxious on the other side to communicate with us. they want to communicate with usand have that forgiveness, give forgiveness, and receive it and we can continue the dialoguewith them after they have gone on and transitioned off the earth-plane or graduated from earth'sschool and we're still here. we can still communicate with them and keep up a good relationship. sandra: that's great. i want to get into,maybe a bit later in the show, these communication ways. i knew you attended a conference i heardyou on the roberta grimes' seek reality show
about some great conference and many wayspeople are connecting. if you could just go through some of your core findings of whyyou believe that life-after-death is real. life-after-death is real. what would you say?what are the reasons? craig: yeah. the first thing we know is thatthe consciousness or the mind isn't in the brain. we know that's true. but, the otherreason is because we can start with the near-death experiences, which are wonderful experiencesthat people have. near-death experiences the brain stops functioning. there is no functioningin the brain and the memories couldn't be stored. the person couldn't be seeing or perceiving,and yet we know that people, when they're communicate and they see things and they experiencethings, so we know that that's true. for instance,
one story of a woman who had cardiac arrest.when she was in cardiac arrest, her brain wasn't functioning. it was flatlined. but,when she came back out, she described what was going on in the operating room, when theywere trying to revive her. she descibred what was going on down the hall with the physiciansthere, what the family was doing, what was on the bulletin board. even she mentionedthat her anatheologist had two different colored socks on that day. she was able to do it.the most amazing thing was that she had been blind since birth. she wasn't her brain wasn'table to, but she was able to see when she was in the near-death experience. and whenshe was in the near-death experience, then her mind kept functioning, her memories keptcoming and so we know that she was still alive
after that experience had happened. that'sone of the ways in which we know it's true that people do continue after the body hasceased functioning. craig: another way we know is from mediums.mediums are very good and very powerful. we know that mediums do communicate with peoplewho are on the other side and there have been to us. we know that because they tell us thingsthat only the person on the other side would know. they remind us about things that weknow. they will also tell us things that, then, we find out later on were true. andso, we know that it's true from mediums who are able to connect. we also know that it'strue from psychotherapists now, who are able to help people to have after-life communicationswhile they sit in their office. one of the
books i had written and you had mentioned,induced after death communication, for instance one woman had to have an experience in whichshe connected with her loved one on the other side while she was sitting in the psychotherapist'soffice. she was connecting with her loved one on the other side; she saw a man standingbehind her loved one. she didn't recognize him, but he seemed like he was warm and friendlyto her, like he loved her. she didn't know who it was. when she came back out, she leftthe psychotherapists office and it was until about two years later that somebody had shownher a picture of a man and had revealed to her something she didn't realize. she hadbeen adopted and the man was her birth father and that was the man she had seen in the psychotherapist'soffice, in her mind.
side. we know that they're there on the otherside. sandra: wow, i'm just speechless. i'm justpicturing that. i had gone to a funeral where my friend's husband had passed away. justa week prior to that, his father had passed away. it was a double funeral. i kept seeing,in my mind's eye, a man that i didn't recognize. looking younger and healthy, but i kept seeinghim. then, we went to after the funeral, there was a reception and there were all these pictureshanging up of both the father and the son, and lo and behold the guy in my mind's eyewas the same guy who was in the pictures. i never met him, but i mean, it was amazing.amazing. craig: yeah, yeah. so, we know that it's true.people are able to communicate in that way.
sandra: every so often, it just goes dead.i don't know what is happening. it's just only for a second. craig: yeah, okay. i think what that meansis that my battery is going out on this phone. sandra: okay. this is the exciting part ofthis show. one show, i was interviewing a woman and i heard this loud snoring in thebackground. well, it was her dog. you know? after the spouse has passed. it's up to, insome studies, it's high as 70-80%. it's a common phenomenon. people communicate withtheir loved ones afterwards. another study was done from icelanders and they reportedthat 31% had visual encounters and actually saw their loved ones after they had passed.
craig: we know that they're there. we havedream visitations. dream visitations are filled with evidence that the person is communicatingfrom the other side. it's in one of my books in which a man named jerry, who had been separatedfrom his wife, actually divorced for a number of years. their children were living withthe wife on the other coast. he had a dream one night of his wife and his wife came tohim and it was a very vivid dream, it was just like they were having the conversation.she started telling him what to do with the children with each child. it was very real.he woke up and it was just like he had a conversation with her. he got a phone call a later on thatmorning that his ex-wife had passed away over the night. she had been killed in a car accident.so, what was happening is that she came to
him and was giving him instructions on whatto do with the children because of the fact that she wasn't going to be able to help totake care of them. sandra: craig, i have a good story that happenedyesterday. my aunt, who i live with and is 10 years older than me she's been hearing,for the last years, all my crazy stories of people i've met and things i've done and godbless her for listening, right? she's never had any strange experiences. however, herco-worker just lost her brother. this man was in his 40's and died of pancreatic cancer,leaving two kids and a wife behind. it was extremely sad, very just a tough time. well,the night before last, my aunt has a dream. and he's saying that he's fine, he looks healthy.what she keeps feeling is that they're at
an amusement park called funland. sandra: i mean, it was so real and so visualto my aunt. as she's telling me this story, she goes to work and tell her friend and saysthat this may sound strange, but her brother came to me in a dream and i don't know ifit was a dream or not, but he kept saying that we're at funland. well, craig, funlandis something that only this woman would know. he was younger. it was just such a touchingthing. it's never happened before to my aunt and he had come through her. like, what abeautiful message that was. craig: that is beautiful, yeah. they reallydo make an effort. they do come through. people wonder why somebody has not come through tothem when a loved one has passed. it's been
months and they haven't come to visit them.they wonder if they don't like them anymore, or if there's a problem with them. it hasnothing to do with that. it's difficult for them on the other side, as it is with us,to make that connection. what they have to do is that they learn how to make the connection.there's teaching and instruction on the other side on how to make a connection. but, it'svery difficult for them to do it and most cannot do it. what they have to do is thatthey can go to a medium and inspire the person on this side to go to the medium and thenthey can have a reading, so if someone feels like they want to go to a medium, then it'spossible they've been inspired by the person on the other side to go to it. they have toeither have somebody go to a medium or they
have to focus and try to get the person onthis side to understand and to listen and to get the message through. most people justdon't listen on this side. we just don't stop long enough to listen, so we miss the communication.we have to teach people on this side how to communicate and we are i have an online, it'sa free training program to help people learn how to connect. it's on the internet. craig: selfguided.spiritualunderstanding.org.it teaches people how to allow the messages to come through and how to allow the enfoldmentto come through. 86% of the people who get on do have connections and some of them arejust profound. just wonderful connections. we get validations; we've had many validations.we had one in which a woman connected with
the person she wanted to connect with, butthen she started seeing she was sitting in a living room with her eyes closed, just goingthrough the program we have online, and she was sitting there and having this connection.suddenly, a young girl comes into her mind and she's seeing the young girl and the younggirl is baking. she's cooking. she has a checkered apron on and she realizes, then, that thisyoung girl is the daughter of a woman that she knows who has crossed onto the otherside.the young girl is making what looked like roll-ups. you know, the dough that rolls upand you put meat into it. craig: then you slice it. but, they have jalapenopeppers in them. she thought, this is strange. why would a roll-up have jalapeno peppersin it? after she had this procedure she had
gone through in the living room, just sittingthere, she talked to the girl's mother and said, listen. i had this image of your daughterand she was cooking and then she had a checkered apron on and the woman said yes, we'd loveto cook together. that was something that we always loved to do. she did have a checkeredapron that she wore all the time when she cooked. craig: the woman who had the experience said,there was the strangest thing. she was making roll-ups but with jalapeno peppers. i couldn'tfigure that out at all. the woman then said yes, we used to make jalapeno pepper roll-upsall the time. craig: lots of validations to that. peoplecan do their own connections and this training
program that i have developed and put onlineand it's completely free, just like everything else that we do. it's available to peopleand they can connect and some people now are connecting everyday. sandra: wow. that's really, really great. about things ourselves. so, i'm guessing thatwhat you offer people then there has to be a way to be present and quiet our own thoughtsto allow these connections to take place. craig: that's what it is. it really is a formof deep relaxation and so what they do is that they deeply relax themselves and thenthey allow the unfolding to happen. they allow things to come to them without control. theydon't use imagination or bring up memories.
just imagine that. then, after they imaginethat, then they stop and don't control or judge, they don't do anything more. they justallow whatever comes to come. what happens then is that the person on the other sideis able to take over. so, they're able to take over the unfolding and make the wholescene unfold. and so, they will communicate and the communication will come through. whatit involves is the person on this side, the person who is in a body, just giving up control.just allowing it to come through. they'll take care of it and they'll bring it through.that's what we teach in the program. sandra: that's really good news. for myself,there have been mediums i've spoken to where some gave me great readings and with others,it seemed like probably no fault of their
own, but they were grabbing at straws andnothing seemed to make sense. and so, i think there's probably a lot of things at play.it doesn't necessarily mean people are bad at their job, but it's really reassuring thatthere's a way that we can make these connections ourselves as opposed to thinking i've gotto go to somebody and that's ya know, six months. some people have long waiting listsand it's not until six months time that i can communicate with my father. not true.not true. craig: no. they're anxious to communicate.there's a sense of presence people get that they ignore. the sense of presence means thatthey feel like they're with you. you can sense they're around. it's a real sense, just likeseeing and hearing it's a sense that tells
you that they're actually there. when theyare there, and when you get that sense of knowing that they're there, then all you haveto do is start a dialogue. all you have to do is close your eyes and begin to speak andlisten to what you get. be open to it, and you can start a dialogue with them. that happenswhen people have a sudden wave of grief. if there is someone has passed away and they,at times, will have a sudden compelling wave craig: very often, that's because of the factthat the person is there. so, they have the sense of presence but they don't realize it'sa sense of presence. but, the sense of presence gives them makes them realize they aren'ton earth and that sudden realization that they aren't on earth indicates grief, butit also indicates they're nearby. all they
have to do is communicate with them. i had never been through any deeper or toughergrief. i remember at the most random times, i was just flooded and the tears would beflowing. if i had put in the practice then, like hey. this is a sign that dad is near. craig: when i say start a dialogue, it's likea day-dream. you can go into it by closing your eyes and relaxing. you can ask a question.you can say, dad, is that you? dad, are you here? and then, just allow the response tocome. the response will come and then you can respond to that and you can continue tocarry on that dialogue. the dialogue will carry itself because of the fact that they'recommunicating with you. that's a way that
you can find out. if you do that repeatedly,then you get better and better and realize more that they're around. you don't have toworry about holding them back because we're communicating with them. that's fiction. theycan always come to us from where ever they are. they're only a thought away. they getour thoughts and if we're asking to speak with them, or if we're in destitute positionand we're really suffering, then they'll come to us. we're not holding them back. sandra: this may sound like a dumb question,but what are they doing over there? wherever they are. yeah, yeah. i mean, i have my ownthoughts, but what do you have to say about that?
craig: they're doing whatever they'd loveto do. in the next stage the next plane of life. it's a period of time when they're ableto regroup and able to do things that they would really love to do. so, they are doingthe things that they'd love to do. they have their own houses. this earth-plain is a spiritualplain, so we're on a spiritual plain right now. it's just one of many spiritual plains.so, the next spiritual plain is just like this. it'll be solid with bodies and we cando things. it's exactly like this. the only difference is that there is no drawbacks.there are no extreme temperature changes, and there are no ticks and fleas and mosquitoes. none of those things. there are no machinesmaking carbon-emissions. none of those things.
but, it's exactly like this. many people feel,when they go to the next plain of life that they're dreaming. they feel like, this isjust like my life. things i'm walking around. it feels like it's exactly the same. theydon't realize that they've gone onto the next plain of life. it's just exactly like this.what happens is that when they go on to that next plain of life, then they have occupations.they aren't occupations in which you get paid money but what they're doing are things theylove to do and they're doing it for people in servant hood. they're doing it becausepeople need it. for instance, someone who loves to decorate houses. they would decoratehouses for people on the other side. many people on the other side will come back andserve on the earth-plain. so, in other words,
they'll try to help people on earth. or, theymay want to help people once they cross-over. taking care of when they want to come backand see their loved ones. they are, in other words, they're helpers. many people becomehelpers when they go to the other side. they can be designers, helpers, or artists if theywere on this side. musicians if they were musicians, or one if they wanted to be butcouldn't on this side. have you seen groundhog's day? craig: that's exactly what it's like. whenhe learns how to play the piano after a long period of time, that's what it is. if you'dreally like to learn, then you can do that. the books actually read themselves to youif you want them to. you can actually get
the book the way the author intended it bylinking with the author and his mind. the author, then, will guide you through the book.so, there are many things. there are schools. especially for young people they're goingto school and they learn. they grow up on the other side, even miscarriages and childrenwho were aborted, they grow up on the other side and are waiting for their parents whenthey come back. but, they do go to school. there are teachers, people do become teacherson the other side. there's a whole life on the other side, it's just as solid of a life.it's this with none of the drawbacks. people do the things they love to do. sandra: how about people who commit suicide?what happens? i mean, i'm sure it's individual
with as many people there are, but they aren'tsentenced to eternal damnation or anything. craig: the hell myth is awful, and it's gotto go away. there's no such thing as a hell. they've gone out of earth school. they madethe choice to do that. they can do that with free will. what happens when they commit suicidewhich is that they're met with great sympathy, because they went through an awful lot. atthe same time, it's a sad time. it's not a good reunion. it's not like they'll be backwith that person who they've missed so badly because they've passed. there it's not thatkind of reunion. it's a very sad reunion because they just stopped their life and they could'vedone wonderful things with their life. it's a permanent solution to a temporary problem.so then, there's a great amount of sadness.
get the thoughts and feelings of all the peoplewho are left on earth. it just comes and it's a part we are one, in mind. so, then theyexperience all of that and the sadness that people feel. there's nothing they can do aboutit, then. they've done it and it's a year later, two years later, and they've gone pastwhat it was that was creating a problem for them. they still have to experience the sadnessof the people who are on earth because it's having. there's no judgment or condemnationin anything we do. anything we did on the earth plain there is no judgment. we onlyjudge ourselves in the life review. during that, we feel the feelings of other people.we experience both of what we did as well as the feelings of the other people. in doingso, then we grow. we learn from that. that's
the purpose of it all. it's all for us togrow in eternity to become more loving, compassionate, and other people-centered. sandra: that's great. it's interesting becauseif you're someone contemplating suicide right now, to actually know you have to deal withyourself still. it's not the answer. craig: it doesn't take away the problems.they just become worse because then you have to experience all the grief and all the sadness.it's not a wonderful reunion on the other side. but, there's no judgment. it's justcompassion, but at the same time it's not a solution. cared for. it's not like they're stuck thatway.
craig: no. they aren't stuck that way, there'sno judgment about them. they'll continue to grow and learn, and they'll have great regretsbut those are things they have to live with as a result of it. they do learn. and theywill go through the period of time when they come out of the other side that they could'vedone better on earth, if they had stayed there and stayed with it. they could've lived awonderful life and learned the lessons they were supposed to. they would've had a wonderfulreunion when they passed on the other side. for us? you talk about reunions. craig: nobody dies alone. what will happenis that it depends on the disposition of the person. some people, when they cross and areno longer using the body, then they will not
be interested in going further on. they aren'tinterested in leaving earth for a number of reasons. some people have unfinished businessthey want to finish on earth, so they stay on earth. when i say stay on earth, they'rein this vibration and they can walk around on earth and sit on chairs, ride in buses,but they can't communicate with people. they stay in the earth plain and some do becausethey're mischievous and can't do things when they're not on it. arsonists, for example.they want to set more fires. you don't change when you transition. they'll stay on earth,walk around and find other people who are arsonists or that inclination and they'llinspire them. in other words, they'll send their thoughts and images to them. oh, lookat that building. wouldn't it be wonderful
to be on fire? can you imagine the fire enginescoming? they inspire them to do that. the people who are weaker or that dispositionare inspired by earth-bound people on the bubble of energy? we're not attracting thesefolks? craig: we just have to be loving and compassionate.that's what it is, just being loving, happy, compassionate. that raises our vibrationsand we don't have to worry about the nasty's. craig: we're boring to them and we have nothingto offer to them. it involves just being loving, compassion, being other-people centered. weall need to be servants. eventually what heaven and earth would look like is that we're soconcerned about the other person that we have no concern for ourselves. since we're allconcerned about that other person and they're
all concerned about us, then it becomes aloving world in which we don't have to worry about the nasty things happening. people, then your life works out. that's howyou have the best life. sandra: craig, let me ask you, since we havethis negative self-talk. is that a part of being human? so many times, even as long asi've been involved in talking in life-after-death, sometimes the little voice in my head sayssandra, you're making it all up. it's not real. why do we have that? craig: we have that because we're broughtup in a society that teaches us that. in other words, if we were brought in a society thattaught us to be loving, compassionate and
to serve other people, then we'd have a goodhead-start on being a person who is loving, compassionate and we'd grow from them. we'dbecome even more loving. we live in a society that teaches us that love can be withdrawnand i'll only love you if and there's a condition involved. that people can be angry with youand they can separate themselves from you, reject you. we learn all of those things.they're not part of who we are as human beings. they're things that we've learned. as a resultof that, society teaches us those things and now that's where the doubts come from. that'swhere the issues come from that we have. if society didn't do that and we lived in a loving,compassionate society, we'd grow up being loving people. we wouldn't have those kindsof doubts and difficulties. that's where we
need to help humankind to go. it's one personat time. and grandma, and quickly it's like no. it'syour imagination. you have an imaginary friend and you're shut down. craig: it shuts them down. so, society iswhat is doing that to us. we really need to change society and we change society by changingourselves. gandhi says you must be what you want the world to be. sandra: where do we go from here? i know thereare things you're up to. in an earlier e-mail you sent, you requested my help to get themessage out. there are those of us who, you know, when we're how do i say this? when we,for ourselves, know that we don't die and
our loved ones are okay, then i think it comesnatural that we want to make a difference for others. so, is there any way, myself andmy listening audience can do our part to help share the message? craig: yes. we have a circle. we have peoplethat we touch. craig: they're the people that we come incontact with and we are touching them. we are, in other words, embracing them. so, weneed to embrace that person with all the love and compassion we can give to them and ifwe do that with just the people who are around us and who we touch, then we'll have an impacton humankind. we don't have to worry about people in other countries or the difficultiesgoing on there; if we can help them, then
it'd be a wonderful opportunity to help them,but that's not our job. our job is to the people we touch and love who are around us,our families, our friends and we can reach out to them and make a difference in theirlives. that's all we need to do or worry about. not only does that help them when we're doingthat, but it also raises our vibration. it teaches us so that every compassionate actthat we do, we add a drop of compassion to humanity by doing that. and so, all we haveto do is be loving and compassionate with the people around us. how do i want that to go? that's actuallycaused me to be a better person and do the right thing now.
craig: yeah, yeah. the more you do that, thenthe more it grows. so, in other words, we're growing the way we grew physically. we werean infant and then we became a child and then an adolescent and an adult in the same way,we grow spiritually and mentally. we will grow in stages and cell-by-cell. every timethat we do a compassionate act, every time we have a compassionate thought, then it addsanother cell to our growth and we mature spiritually in the same way we matured physically. allthey have to do is keep adding those cells. sandra: that reminds me of the movie pay itforward. when you do something good for someone, there's a ripple effect where they do somethingfor someone else. you never know how far that can reach.
craig: there's an energy there. in fact, weknow it to be true. in studies of remote-influencing that, when people would focus on someone areceiver, and the sender would focus on good, warm and wonderful thoughts like how muchthey loved. the other person, who was hooked up to a machine that would measure their reactions;even though they didn't realize it, their minds and their bodies were reacting to thatperson's loving thoughts. every time a loving thought was sent, it was received and theirbody and mind reacted to it. in the same way, if hateful thoughts were sent to them andintense, discouraging thoughts, then their body and mind reacted just as much. so, whatwe're doing is that every time we have a wonderful thought then we are contributing to humankindand we're having an influence on that other
person, although we don't realize we are.every time we have a hateful thought or angry thought, we're influencing them and are loweringhumankind's vibration by that much. so, all we need to do is focus on being loving andcompassionate. that's what jesus said. craig: in roberta's book liberating jesus.the church hasn't understood it but all you have to do is love god and love man. it'svery simple. if we do that, then that'll make a difference in humankind. sandra: wow. that's great. i think it's easyto believe we are just our bodies, but when we talk about the mind not being in the brainand that we are, as you say in your book your eternal self, we are these eternal selves.we're so much more powerful than we know.
our thoughts and our actions and our feelingsreally do send out this energy and wow. that's great. i didn't know about remote-influencing,which is tied into the power of prayer, somehow. sandra: wow. craig, what haven't i asked youthat really i should? craig: yeah, i do have. everybody has thepotential to be able to communicate with their loved ones on the other side. we know thisto be true. the psychotherapists that i have mentioned there's a 98% success rate. in otherwords, everyone can communicate. with my guide, there's an 86% success rate. there are mirror-gazing;everyone can communicate with their loved ones on the other side. all they have to dois learn how to do it. so, everybody should be communicating. if they have a loved onewho has transitioned, they're still here and
want to communicate. you just have to keepcommunicating. that's the important thing. then, we can learn more techniques to be evenbetter at it. keep up the dialogue and keep communicating, because they're there and they'recommunicating with us. sandra: great. that'll all really help usin our lives, because if we really do believe that we don't die and that we are eternalbeings, it'll take away the fear of living, going after dreams. you know that you cannever fail. you know you're never alone. craig: mmhm. yep,that's exactly right. itdoes what we're doing is changing ourselves. at the same time, we're having an effect onother people. so some people say, well, how can i improve my vibration? how can i becomea more spiritual person? all you have to do
is love. just love. sandra: simple, little four letter word. love. craig: just love. find opportunities to love.and just love. that will change everything. sandra: it will. i think for any of us whoknow what it's like to volunteer or make a difference in someone else life i've neverfelt better. it feels good to do this. craig: it feels good and that's a sign thatit's good. it feels good. sandra: craig, anything else? i don't wantto cut you short, but we're rounding the top of the hour. sandra: oh my gosh. how do we find out moreabout you? you've got plenty of websites,
but how can we start learning more about thewonderful dr. craig hogan? to it. start off with your eternal self becausethat's the book that is the basis for what it is that people can learn about how to communicate.then, from there, we are establishing now the after-life research and education institute.it's dedicated to helping people communicate with loved ones on the other side, findingnew ways and finding funding. we're looking for funding now for people who are developingthe methods and the researchers who are researching them. our big focus is on trying to find fundingto get to them and to go to afterlifeinstitute.org. going on in afterlife communication and theresearch being done. i'd say those two places. sandra: great, great. you're the best.
sandra: you had mentioned roberta grimes earlier.we had her on as a guest a few episodes ago, and because of craig's website, youreternalself,i had seen a link to a book that he published called the fun of dying written by robertagrimes, and i have to be honest the title pissed me off. i was like, how could it befun? it made me buy it to really realize that there is so much more about the dying processand waking up in heaven or the hereafter, whatever you want to call it. since robertaand i have been great friends and she has her own podcast called seek reality with robertagrimes which i call an advanced after-life conversation. some of the topics i haven'teven heard of. i can recommend that to listeners, as well. so craig, i'm going to send you awarm hug from massachusetts. from myself,
and from my listeners our listeners. you truly,truly are the very first person that's opened my eyes into something so much more, intomy eternal-self and getting that we're so much more powerful than we know ourselvesto be. our life is important, it's for a reason. it's for making a difference. so, in closing,i want to thank you. sandra: you're welcome. i want to thank ourlistener for taking the last hour to listen; i hope it's been a value to you, it certainlyhas been to me. as a reminder, you can find all episodes of we don't die radio at thatwebsite wedontdieradio.com, or just type in we don't die radio on youtube where they'rethere where ever else you listen to your podcasts: itunes, whatever. my name is sandra champlainand like i said, i do believe with all of
my heart that life is an education for thesoul and our lives here on earth are truly important. again, in the words of our wonderfulguest craig hogan, find opportunities to love. difference. i thank you for listening andwe'll see you soon. >> music playing |��<^�d|��������������@d^b $��\"`"f$j$,%0%t%x%&&2&6&t3x3�7�7�=�=�>�>�k�k:n>n�op�v�v�w�w�x�x�x�xn\r\r]v]�`�`�d�dbqfq�q�q*xlx~ ~8~<~t x ������…æ†ê†ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½6]6]b�:�>�t�x�~�������äˆèˆï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½"��������������������ðªôªb�f�\�`�ä«è«ï¿½ï¿½~����������������v�z�����è¼ì¼ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ï¿½h�l�$�(�@�d�r�v���������2�6����������������������������������b�f���> bdhtx��������������������������������������������������6]cx����"&8 < �!�!�!�!�%�%�&�&$'('t)x)�1�1�4�40646n6r677�:�:*;.;j;n;
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